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This was earlier posted as a comment by Biplav Misra MET02. Biplav has taken the time to understand and touch upon several underlying issues cogently. We are pleased to post it as an article. Thanks Biplav. Submissions welcome -- ITBHU Editor
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The mystery of missing ‘I’ in ‘ITBHU’ has since time immemorial baffled us. Similar students, similar caliber, similar facility and infrastructure and similar entrance examination, then where lies the difference? Three decades of association with IIT-JEE and still the IIT status evades us.

Before I exhume the topic, let me answer few questions such as: “Do we really need the IIT-tag and do we deserve it?” Initially it seemed that the answers to these questions may not be breezy (and easy) as the questions but there are answers, views and vehement views. Through my research I tried to arrive at an answer and strangely the answer to these questions is a big and bold ‘Yes’. (A clear-cut answer!!)

Being an active member of the ITBHU Alumni Association and being part of several student bodies, I got a fair chance of interacting (surveys, comments, articles and interviews) with our alumni and students. In light of this interaction. I can confidentially say that the sentiment by and large is PRO IIT-Varanasi.

Before inclusion of several other colleges (Roorkee converted into an IIT and others such as NIFFT, IIIT’s etc added ***editor: JEE includes only seven IITs, ITBHU and ISM Dhanbad -- see JEE ***) in the list of IIT-JEE, the scene was not that bad. Earlier it was 6 IITs plus ITBHU. Now after the new inclusions, where does ITBHU stand? There is an identity crisis, which needs to be sorted out. Many of my seniors rightly believe that ITBHU has a standing but will it lose its standing when converted into an IIT?

Secondly, IIT is a brand name and it sells. Even in foreign countries people are ignorant (?) of ITBHU whereas IIT is a highly reputed brand among engineering concerns.

Now comes the second most important (frivolous?) question: “Do we deserve the IIT tag?” Three decades old association with IIT-JEE has ensured that only ‘crème de la crème’ enters the institute. Even before this association, merit holders rushed for admission in ITBHU. This is probably the reason that the passouts of this institute have played a pivotal role in the technical development of the country for the past eight decades.

A quick glance into the list of the faculty members of IITs proves that academicians of ITBHU are running IITs. ITBHU has been one of the best institutes in India and has been instrumental in building the rapport, which IITs now enjoy. According to the latest survey of India Today, ITBHU has been ranked 8th among top engineering colleges in the country. It has been ranked much above many IITs and is set to rise further.

Lastly, industry is the best indicator of any institute’s reputation. For past several years, ITBHU has had the best placement in India. (Remembers, 150 plus selections by IT giant Infosys in the year 2000-2001?). This year also ITBHU has the BEST placement in India which is many fold higher than several IITs.

Then where lies the hurdle? Through my extensive research of the ‘ITBHU vs IIT Controversy’, published in the annual issue of the institute’s magazine “REVERBERATIONS” (reverberations@rediffmail.com), *** editor -- we would love to post those articles with their permission here!! *** I have found that the major villainous role has been played by ‘dirty politics’ at the center and unwillingness of the BHU administration to part away with ITBHU. True, IT has been a part of BHU since its inception. Several alumni might be sentimental about BHU but we need the autonomy. We cannot dream of robust growth with our resources in the shackles of the varsity. Reaching an amicable solution seems to be tough! Then, why not IIT-BHU? By granting partial autonomy, IT can still remain a part of BHU, with the governing body consisting of members from IT as well as BHU.

With renowned academician Dr. Kalam as the head of the country, Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi as the head of HRD and Prof. P. Rama Chandra Rao as the head of the varsity, the scene looks brighter. Little political will, may do wonders!

Biplav Misra MET02
Alumnus, ITBHU

Had a few questions/suggestions.

1. Any update from the CSE meet on April 26.
2. A summary of the non-profit setup in CA with ways/means to contribute and infrastructure to support delivery to institute will be helpful.
3. Projects - more details in terms of costing and progress update on a monthly/by-project basis will help folks see how their contribution is specifically used and this will go a long way in helping mobilize resources.
4. So far, we can see the following projects.
1. Class of 98 hall
2. Mechanical 97
3. Library
4. Old PCs
A navigation bar on projects with details on how folks can help will be good to have.

Thanks,
Sumeet Arora ECE95
Posted by Sumeet Arora at May 19, 2003 11:09 AM

Hey Guys who are in favour of making IT to IIT,
We need some dedicated individuals with clout. I have some info that may be helpful.(I hope!)
I havent read all of the comments above. But I am in favour of trying to convert IT into an IIT(perks of all the connections etc in US & around the globe.. their network is SOLID). I happened to come accross a letter from BHU Alumni Assoc. BHU is in need of funds to set up Open Heart Surgery in BHU Med. let me quote
"(2) “INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OPEN HEART SURGERY”
Sir Sunderlal Hospital in BHU caters to the needs of entire Eastern U.P. This hospital still does not have facility for Open Heart Surgery. The infrastructure for this facility is estimated to cost around Rs. 4 - 5 crores. V.C. expressed desire that Alumni should see the possibility of helping to create infrastructure for open heart surgery in BHU Hospital. This department will run on commercial basis to generate funds to meet its own expenses." - We can try to grab this opportunity & raise the money & negotiate our freedom from BHU.
it may be worth the effort if we agree IIT stamp matters like crazy. The morons at Roorkee got that one right. Hope we see the light too.
n'
joy
Posted by Joy at May 1, 2003 03:19 PM

IIT Status,
Well,Why not make our alumni base stronger and rope in all pass outs for better funding and infrastructure of our almamater.
Rather asking for status why not we go ahead for our own pole position in field of Technology,research and better education.
Yeah!route to the top is always difficult but trying 100% can always reap great results.At first it may very well sound day dreaming but those who dream the most do the most.

ALL THE BEST
Pravin('97 batch)
Metallurgical Engineering
Posted by Pravin chandra at April 21, 2003 03:31 AM

Dear Rohan and all others who have expressed their opinion on the subject. My apologies for joining in late but it was hard to keep quiet after reading through. First and foremost thanks Aashish (an IITian) who has come forward to criticise Rohan for his inept remarks.

I am a proud ITBHU alumni having graduated from the great institution in 91. Here's what I have to say to Rohan and others -

It is agreed that qualifiers in JEE joining IT BHU are in a way behind those joining IIT by virtue of having scored lesser marks in JEE. However, the buck just does not stop here.

1. Like so many IITians, I have gone ahead and pursued higher studies. Rohan, you would be surprised to know that when it comes to exams beyond the graduation level (I am talking about IIMs, FMS, XLRI, GRE, AGRE etc.) there is an equal representation from IITs and IT-BHU. And students from IT-BHU do equally well if not better than those from IIT. I hope everyone would agree that exams like the ones I mentioned are a fair assessment of a person's calibre and success in them truly portray the potential of various graduates.

2. I would thank Raghav for pointing out and myself reiterate that there are so many of us from IT BHU who opted to go there and get a better branch. This act in itself has propelled our careers. Rohan, as you move into corporate life, you would recognise that success comes from a host of factors - academic excellence just one and minuscle one. And let me point out that in my career that spans for for about 10 years now, not only IT BHU but students from other institutes leave some of the IITians behind. And let me categorically state at this stage that I have the highest regard for an IITian and IITs in general. But my experience says do not rest on your laurels for having just qualified JEE. Graduates from so many other institues (not even mentioned in these funny ranking system of engineering colleges) do much better than students from so called better institues.

3. The logic that someone who does better in JEE is a declared champ in life is incorrect. It that were so, then JEE toppers would always do better than those with lesses ranks. And would this mean that someone who is in Computer Science but let's say ranked 30th in the class would be better than all the toppers in other branches - Electronics, Electrical, Aeronautcial etc. who had lesser JEE rank than this 30th guy in Comp. Science. All of us who have gone through any engineering institute would know how untrue this is.

Therefore Rohan, please do not expend your enrgies in useless stuff. It is only a few marks (10-15) that separate the top rankers and those with 2000 rank. Concentrate on your career only and remember having made it to IITs or IT-BHU is hardly an end in itself. This is just a beginning and you would need all other kinds of skills/knowledge in order to be someone who makes it big in today's world. And foremost attribute required to succeed is attitude - attitude to fight, continous learning and improvement and also humility to learn from anyone in life. By anyone I mean anyone - a stranger on the street, a teacher in class, a colleague/peer/subordinate in office or even a 2 years old kid. JEE rank is just an achivement it is soon forgotten and overwritten by your other traits.

Thanks for listening me out. Once again to all of you who are trying hard to make sure that IT-BHU gets its much derseved IIT status - KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

BEST WISHES

Ashit
Mech 91
Posted by Ashit Saxena at April 14, 2003 11:15 PM

I am making an effort to automate ITB lib. The project has been started with the assistance from AICTE.But more is needed .

In this effort God sent SS Maurya a 98 Electronics
student. He showed interest in helping the library through Alumni of ITB.

It is in this context he refe. this web. address to me to regularly see this and give suggestions.

I have been in IITD for three years and I can not say or hear that we are inferior to them. With the resources and autonomy under university system we are doing very well better than some of the IIT's.

I have been trying for IITB tag for BHU IT for the last few years. Even some professors in IIT's feel that BHU IT should be given the tag of IITB. We have involved a mission named after Malviyaji "MAHAMANA MALVIYA MISSION" with head office at DELHI. A unit is working in BHU also. This mission has been formed by BHU alumni. I am taking help from this mission also to influence the people in Govt. A proposal is already pending on the table of Minister MHRD.

Coming back to library extend your help in whatever way you can to the group formed by SS Maurya to help the Lib. of ITB in automation and improvement of facility.

Take care of your almamater. Do't get into controversies amongst your self.

God bless you.

You will be posted with improvements in ITB.

Prof. A.K.WAHI,
Electrical Engineering,
ITB
12.4.03
Posted by Prof. A.K.WAHI at April 11, 2003 09:57 PM

It is not about the IIT JEE Rank. All rank holders are extremely qualified to do wonders. It is about improving infrastructure for the 100s who go to ITBHU after having qualified the JEE and proven themselves in top 2000. The objective should be to get the funding and possibly branding equivalent to IITs bcos thats where our institute belongs. It has contributed to the IITs themselves where many folks are alumni from ITBHU. More quality education for more people should be the goal. For a country like India - there is room for many more IITs.

Rohan's post indicates an exclusive attitude.

Thanks,
Sumeet

ITBHU Ece 1995.
Posted by Sumeet Arora at April 6, 2003 11:02 AM

Pathetic post by Rohan. I know so many people who did not join any IIT, but came to ITBHU to pursue thier ambitions. I'm one of those guys, who moved from an IIT to ITBHU for a better branch. In the same year there was another guy who did that. At that time you could move accross IITs with special permission from the Diro.
I'm gald I made that move, since that allowed me to work in one of the best company in Sillicon valley, something that many of my ex IIT classmates never got a chance to do because of thier non-related branch.
If I want ITBHU to become IIT, that is only because that would give ITBHU access to more funds and allow its alums better networking oppurtunities because of the integated IIT alumni associations in USA. I realized that two years after you move out of the college, no one cares which institute you are from. It's only your work and your good contacts that give you the thrust towards a successful high-profile career. Just an advice to guys like Rohan: Right now you are in college, and is shown by the immaturity of your remarks. However tommorow when you step out in this big world, if you want to succeed in your career, make sure you learn how to be humble. Else no one will care two hoots about your intelligence and you'll just rot at the bottom of the ladder with your arrogance.
Posted by Raghvan at April 4, 2003 06:03 PM

Thanks Alam..

For benfefit of all here is what the survey says:
( I am pasting the relevant portion here).

And Mr. Rohan do your homework properly before commenting.

Unfortunately, there are some schools that apparently have yet to be convinced - including, ironically, two from Thailand. These 35 universities did not participate in this year's study:

India
Aligarh Muslim University
Banaras Hindu University
M.S. University of Baroda
University of Calcutta
University of Delhi
University of Madras
Posted by Shailendra Srivastava at April 3, 2003 11:20 PM

I think Rohan has not done his homework properly.
In my class the top 6 students had JEE AIR within 1000, the highest JEE rank being somewhere near 350! So, its not true that all IITian's have scored higher than ITans in JEE. But i think after inclusion of Roorkee into IITs this thing may have changed.

Regarding Asiaweek survey 2000, IT-BHU was not in the list because BHU did not participate in the survey. In fact there was a list of univs in the website who did not take part in the survey(obviously Rohan didn't had time to go through it).
Posted by zamir alam (980005) at April 3, 2003 09:38 PM

Well said Aashish. Hope people learn from your humbleness and learn to appreciate others.

Rohan,

Again with your malicious attitude you have intrepreted the marks issue in your own sweet way. I don't feel the need to further discuss on that.

Your hippocracy is evident in your mesasge itself. To quote you, at one point you are saying that:
"Even I had made my mind to make another attempt if I didn’t get admission in IIT"

and than you say

"And intelligent people don’t need any tag they always shine in any circumstances"

Now a person need not be a genius to intrepret who needs a 'tag'. You have defined yourself very well here.

Let me tall you that your tag would help you in your first job. After that it is a combination of hard & soft skills that would take you ahead. Amongst these 'attitude' is a key factor. Guys from IITs with an attitude problem have lingered around and vanished into oblivion. I have examples here in my company.

Just pick up good things from people like Aashish.

All the Best!
Posted by Manish P at April 3, 2003 08:46 PM

Mr. Rohan L Meena, IITB Electrical,

What hostel are you in? I am an '86 graduate from H5. We are truely ashamed of the way you are representing IITB. What you write is sheer malice instead of noticing and learning from the laudable work the ITBHU alumni are doing.

It is possible the JEE qualification, the little CBS interview and IIT50 might have gone to your head the wrong way. In fact some of us were afraid these celebrations might generate such undeserved complacency, esepcially among students who can be full of themselves, not having seen the world or earned any wisdom. You unfortunately prove that fear.

Many of us have worked with, worked for and hired many fine ITBHU graduates. They are successful in their own right. Please quit the tendencies of knocking anyone aspiring for something better. They only harm you. I'm afraid this is too prevalent sometimes in IITB students, the institute that has the dubious distinction of the highest suicide rate among hostellers, perhaps because they can't reconcile their self-preceived and publicly lauded JEE brilliance with the reality in life. Successful people on the global scene never operate that way or with that attitude. Please grow up chum! Perhaps you forgot to notice and learn from Prof. Mishra's (IITB director for the outsiders) humility and grace. Please don't do on posting to bring further embarassment to IIT-B.

ITBHUites, please keep up your great work! Please don't let such people dishearten you at all, they don't speak for any IIT, definitely not IITB. If anything else, this proves the point you are onto something! Why don't you guys block your forums to keep such unwanted people off? (I have entered a fictitious email address.. because don't want these do-nothing students to flame me).
Posted by Aashish C at April 3, 2003 02:25 PM

@ Editor

I am not from IT-BHU. But I am a part of IIT education. I am in final year Electrical Engineering, IIT Bombay. And I am with you that IIT’s are getting lots of funds from government and from other countries as well as from their alumni also. Why don’t you make a good network of your alumni also but for that you (you and your alumni) should have great feeling of help for you institute. And if you work hard and creative then you will have bright future and can help your institute also. But just begging for a status will not help you, you have to achieve it. You can think yourself that why a student prefer University of Roorkee then IT-BHU or ISM-dhanbad. I am talking about the situation before Roorkee got status of IIT. Even I had made my mind to make another attempt if I didn’t get admission in IIT. And now Roorkee became IIT you have also bright chance to Become IIT. But what will you return to the world if you get IIT status. You will have lot of money and lot of good infrastructure but students will not gonna change. Now make a survey and try to find out how many toppers (in 1000 ranks) wants to go in IIT Roorkee or in IIT Guwahati.
Best of luck to you. I appereciate your work.

@ Manish

Let me tell you my friend that 20-30 marks difference is very BIG. Even due to only 1 marks difference a guy would not get selected in IIT-JEE. Same rule applies in other big exams also IAS. Just one marks changes a person’s life, one got IAS and other one prepare for next exam. In that sense you are luckier than the guy who didn’t get selected as well as we are luckier then you. So don’t talk about marks calculation.

I am not saying that you are not intelligent but you should prove that you are. And intelligent people don’t need any tag they always shine in any circumstances.
Posted by Rohan at April 3, 2003 12:19 PM

Lets not give not give much heed to comments of people like Rohan who are sullying this message board. Getting into a war of words is easy but we don't have much time for it.
We must remember that stones are always pelted on a fruit bearing tree !
I hope that the issue with this outrageous post is closed for ever.
-Pancham
Posted by Pancham at April 3, 2003 11:22 AM

Rohan,

I can just pity your atrocious attitude. I won't enter into an argument with you by giving you examples of how brilliant our alumni have been. It is for the world to see. Despite facing beaurocratic hurdles being part of university, paucity of funds compared to IITs we managed to create an equivalent name for ourselves as any other IITian. Moreover, the IITians who have made names for themselves are our ardent supporters and only people like you with 'no identity' of their own make these statements that either smell of 'jealousy' (if u r not part of IIT system) or 'frustration' (if u r from IITs but failed to make use of the education due to your attitude..which is evident in your mail).

Lastly, you cannot deny facts. If you are familiar with the IIT system than you must understand that just 20/30 marks difference decides the topper and the person say with 1800 rank. If you have missed any learning during your education it is probably this that 'geniuses' are not made by virtue of 'only' obtanining high marks. It is a combination of multitude of traits. This is known as 'intellectualism' which is as prevalent in ITBHU as in any other IIT.

Hope this sets you right.
Posted by Manish P at April 2, 2003 11:02 PM

Rohan,

We consider your comments gratuitous for the following reasons but have decided to let them stand for what they are.

First, if you are commenting as an ITBHU alumni, please use the conventions to identify yourself with full name and branch. If you are an outsider, please show appreciation for the privilege of expressing your opinion on ITBHU.org by introducing yourself as a guest with fullname and affiliation. It is hard take anonymous commenters seriously.

Second, we are here to help improve the institute, its quality of education and infrastructure. You may not be aware that an IIT gets a lot more government money and autonomy to spend it than an institute that is part of a huge university bureaucracy. That is the nature of things. That has partially contributed to the institute's decline. Some of us chose to address that and others issues than just whine, complain, express a few put-downs and let it slide.

Third, perhaps you missed this through your education and career: if you have nothing to contribute, stay out or earn the right to criticize by doing something positive first.

In contrast, many IITian wellwishers give us moral support and valuable suggestions offline. Just to mention one such illustrious IIT alum, Mr. Narayana Murthy was conferred an honorary doctorate by BHU as part of ITBHU's 25th convocation last week. To the best of our knowledge, he was equally proud of this ITBHU association.

With regards to JEE ranks, we will let those puerile remarks speak for themselves.

Bests!
Posted by editor at April 2, 2003 12:16 PM

The mystery of missing ‘I’ in ‘ITBHU’.

Did you really think about it that you really need the IIT-tag and you deserve it? If you really need it then it’s other story and lets not talk about it here but if you really deserve it then why didn’t you prove it in IIT-JEE. You have qualified same exam as other IITian’s passed. You were may be 1 or more rank behind the guy who got admission in IIT. So you were not able to prove that you was better then that guy. Okey lets leave it because it’s a past story. You may be ill in between the exams as most of the people were during the exams. You can prove it on International front. Where are you or where does you stand atleast in Asia. Here is the list of Asia's Best Universities. Even University of Roorkee and Birla Institute of Technology & Science are listed in this list but the Great Great Institute ITBHU is missing. May be because of misprinting or wrong survey.

http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/universities2000/scitech/sci.overall.html

Why don’t you do some nice and creative work to improve your institute’s reputation so that 1st choice of every topper in IIT-JEE should be ITBHU?

You have many chances in present and you will get in future also.
Any way I want to wish you Best of Luck.
Posted by Rohan at April 2, 2003 10:40 AM

It definitely seems like that a handful of people are putting in a lot of effort for realizing this "dream" of practically every IT graduate to see his/her alma mater get the recognition that IT deserves. Why don't we prepare a brief charter (maybe you guys are already thinking along similar lines) detailing out the effort that the alumni (overseas and in India) can put together along with the effort that can be put by the current students? I know a few influential alumni both here in the US as well as a few in India who would be glad to help. Maybe we have to follow the same roadmap adopted by Roorkee in trying to achieve our goals. Does anyone have some insight on the Roorkee roadmap? Most important, as has already been observed by some of the folks posting on this issue: Focussed effort and no losing steam even though we have our regular jobs to think of on a daily basis and we shall achieve our objective--did we not do it at the JEE? HOW CAN I HELP?

Sanjeev
Posted by Sanjeev at March 11, 2003 02:18 AM

HI,
First time i am posting any comments for my beloved college. Memories of those golden days are haunting me. I still can't forget Bechan's tea in front of Vivekanand Hostel. That was way back in 1985.
I will be greatful if my classmate friend Shah Vikram Jung's whereabout are found and communicated to me thru this site. We compeleted our B.Tech from IT-BHU in 1985 in Electronics and Telecomm. Trade.
Posted by sanjay sharma at March 6, 2003 09:44 AM

Hi,
I totally agree with the editors point of view about the "officialness" of the alumni site. We are going to have an official site for the institute but then we have this site which can be "the" site for the alumni. Both these sites could have bi directional links and that will help both the sites.

The official institute site would anyways have information about the institute etc. and what ever the people at the institute decide to put there. the alumni site ( since it is not "official" ) can have what ever the alumni actually want. The requests made by the alumni could vary and the people involved with alumni site could discuss the need amongst themselves and decide whether to publish some info on the site or not.
Posted by anshuman at February 18, 2003 12:28 AM

One influential alumni that comes to my mind
is Dr Adya S. Tripathi (Electrical engg.)
He is the CEO of www.tripath.com in USA.
Posted by Raghvan at February 16, 2003 04:13 AM

Rohit,

You make an excellent point! Yes, we must bring all alumni efforts under one umbrella. ITBHU.org started off with that goal. The coming together is already happening concurrent with these discussions.

We are taking the following first steps:

Help bring out the energy, participation and ideas of everyone interested. As technologists, we are exploiting this medium by structuring the alumni forum to be one of the first truely participatory ones out there. (A long established, successful IIT alumni association has shown interest in adopting some of the collaborative techniques of this forum! While they've excelled in organizing over the years, we can play catch up only through technology and then apply their organizational lessons with with our ingenuity). This aspect will be more evident when the ITBHU.org sections are operational.

Brace yourselves guys and gals, the IIT crusade is going to be a long haul -- at least a year if not longer! That makes a truely scalable, self-managing and participatory forum all the more critical in executing the agenda.

As you state, identify influential people to assist in lobbying. We will put to use our collective leadership experience from professional lives. The upcoming formal launch of ITBHU.org inviting all alumni to participate is bound to attract the influential ones as well. The forum will be taken seriously only if we are uniquely different, present one umbrella, responsive to our constituencies, and evolving. Our efforts and commitment towards a lasting organization must be self evident through this forum.

Anyone know specific influential alumni in the technology, business, legal or political fields in the US and India that we should contact?

Next, formulate the action agenda to convert ITBHU into an IIT. That includes fund-raising and lobbying. Given how far flung we are, we can execute the agenda through this forum.
Despite zero marketing efforts while the site is being built, we are pleasantly overwhelmed by the overwhelming consensus that is emerging:
Considering changes in the JEE structure, recent addition of IITs, the growing strength of the IIT brand and the move to convert RECs into institutes, the time to become an IIT is NOW;
IIT branding not only brings due recognition to the institute, future funds in parity with other IITs and the increasing autonomy the IITs are moving towards, it also generates enormous indirect value for every alumnus. Many alumni have already volunteered for time and monetary contributions if there was a legally organized and focused organization they can participate in and also influence;
Use the forum to foster positive competition among alumni to contribute towards the institute's infrastructure and quality of education; and
Bring the institute and alumni closer together; for example share the alumni database bi-directionally with the institute's upcoming website.

You will shortly see concrete milestones under the "How Can I Help?" link. We encourage everyone to volunteer for whatever appeals to your expertise and resources. Contribution and constructive criticism will surely unite the chapters that have been independently operating under geographic, batch or department affiliations. The unity, increased participation through this site, and execution of the liasing and lobbying efforts will give us the credibility to the agent for the above chanes.

In the meantime, send your offer of specific help (no monetary contributions until a non-profit set up is forumlated with wide participation!!) to editor@itbhu.org. No help is small enough or too large for us to accomodate.

Lastly, we want to address the concern how "official" this site is. We are working with the institute, both the students and the administration. At the same time we are convinced that an independent, alumni-owned and driven effort has a unique role to play here. ITBHU.org is taking that mantel similar to how the IIT alumni associations are complementing their institutes. There are certain things only an institute can do and there are things only an alumni association, independent of the institute's control, can do. Together they accomplish the same goal of making the institute better. For example, as part of BHU there are limitations how and when the institute leadership can openly espouse our IIT cause. Our IIT cause benefits everyone concerned in the long run. It is bound to get everyone on board sooner or later. But we have to be sensitive to the stated and private endorsements of well-meaning people in "official" positions. This is part and parcel of any lobbying effort.

Also, to those of us who have learned from many successful, private institutions free of government ownership, the "officialness" comes from participation of the alumni and a true partnership with the institute and the government.

Please continue the support -- we will ask for more and more help from all alumni as time goes on!!
Posted by editor@ITBHU.org at February 15, 2003 02:04 PM

Hi,

I have read some comments about IITians treating IT-BHU as equal.Yes,this is correct but I feel its not going to be same in near future if we don't convert it to IIT-BHU or IIT-varanasi.For many years,there wasn't much gap between people going for IIT and IT-BHU, thats why we are treated equal,but with the addtion of other institutes in JEE, slowly IT-BHU will stop attracting quality students.

We have quality alums but no real network.Its in 10 different places.If we can bring all the alums under one umbrella(some official IT-BHU site,I doubt we have one,i don't don't know any ),then we can identify the influencial people.Without having the backing of influencial guys its not going to happen, however hard we discuss and shout.Its only my personal opinion.

I know some people are working hard for it and they have identified some ,but still with official alum network we can do it more effectively.I didn't mean to discourage the guys working right now for it.Keep up the good work! You have full support of all ITians.

-rohit
Posted by Rohit Ranjan at February 14, 2003 07:08 PM