animesh_990010: conference agenda at http://www.itbhu.org/chapters/dept/cse/archives/000471.html animesh_990010: i know the two new profs are busy. animesh_990010: what abt KKS ? animesh_990010: Let's start with point 1. Director's Message. Ravindra go on. ravindra_itbhu03: Professor S. N Upadhyay, FNASc, FIE DIRECTOR February 09, 2005 MESSAGE I am happy to learn that the “Third Annual Online Alumni Meet” is being organized by the bepartment of Computer Science & Engineering on February 13, 2005. Such an Alumni Meet provides an opportunity to our alumni to renew the relations with each other as well as with the bepartment and the Institute. It also permits them to know the progress made by the bepartment and the Institute. I am also happy to note that the Alumni of the bepartment have voluntarily come forward to help the bepartment by providing better infrastructure and other facilities. I hope this will continue in future also. I wish success to the Meet. animesh_990010: so since we do not have any facultymemebers, animesh_990010: we will jump to point 4 animesh_990010: pankaj.. go ahead animesh_990010: okk ok keshvendra_940010: great animesh_990010: next topic.. arpit nand.. is he here? animesh_990010: welcome arpit arpitnand_20020036: good morning animesh_990010: Arpit Nand CSE06 speaks about further upgradation of the lab with a proper power backup. arpitnand_20020036: Well.. I am looking after the Lab Power Backup Project animesh_990010: go on arpit. arpitnand_20020036: inintiated by Animesh Pathak arpitnand_20020036: during his latest visit to the campus arpitnand_20020036: Atpresent there are 10 comps working in the lab arpitnand_20020036: and a server which has a relable backup arpitnand_20020036: The problem the students are facing is that atpresent the backup of these comps is arpitnand_20020036: not reliable arpitnand_20020036: the new 4 computer have new ups arpitnand_20020036: which though are giving 10 mins backup arpitnand_20020036: What we plan to do is give a reliable backup arpitnand_20020036: for the lab arpitnand_20020036: Something like what is done in the New Solaris Lab set up arpitnand_20020036: for the 1st yearites by the institute arpitnand_20020036: We plan to start off by arpitnand_20020036: giving atleast 15 mins backup arpitnand_20020036: for each computers arpitnand_20020036: I plan to find out the ups/vendor/etc used at present arpitnand_20020036: by BHU CC , the solaris lab animesh_990010: u mean itbhu CC arpitnand_20020036: and then go up to these vendors for solutions for our arpitnand_20020036: lab keshvendra_940010: Sorry to interrupt..how often power goes out in the dept? is it a serius concern? arpitnand_20020036: well.. BHU CC also has a central ups animesh_990010: i saw it there animesh_990010: the duration of power cut is not long animesh_990010: but it goes frequently arpitnand_20020036: welll. at present power cuts are frequent but not long animesh_990010: it even went once when I was in the lab... a sample time of 12 minutes arpitnand_20020036: aome whr around 10- 12 arpitnand_20020036: mins arpitnand_20020036: but its a regular feature of our lab.. a power cut arpitnand_20020036: except the 4 new comps animesh_990010: arpit.. let us know when u r done so we will ask quesitons/ have discussions. arpitnand_20020036: other dont even have backup enough to even m arpitnand_20020036: save our work ravindra_itbhu03: ok i have to say something abt this arpitnand_20020036: well.... i m almost done arpitnand_20020036: yes ravandra....? keshvendra_940010: so, what's the final status on this project? Do you need something from Alumni for this or you guys got it under control? arpitnand_20020036: ravindra go on.... animesh_990010: lets listen to what ravindra has to say and then arpit will tell us exactly how alumni come in. ravindra_itbhu03: and none us could comlete his program animesh_990010: wait.. ravindra.. I lost a message animesh_990010: say it again ravindra_itbhu03: like a generator of our deptt ravindra_itbhu03: so for this type of situation we must have some alternative ravindra_itbhu03: i said we sud have a generator of our own animesh_990010: why a generator? Is the duration of a power cut long? keshvendra_940010: what about other dept? do all have their own generator system? arpitnand_20020036: well ... i dont tghink a genset is possible rahulhsaxena20020002: meta has.... animesh_990010: no deptt has a generator.. I feel that UPSs are much better as a first step ravindra_itbhu03: yes ravindra_itbhu03: i think most of them arpitnand_20020036: as then we have to start it animesh_990010: so that when power goes.. people can save their work ASAP animesh_990010: and then continue.. thereby losing only a small part animesh_990010: also.. use emacs and vi.. they save the file that can be recovered arpitnand_20020036: some dept have inverters for some specific rooms pankajyadav_20010018: no deptt has .. but BHU-CC and BHU science faculty have their own.. for fight with 1-2 Hr. long cut in summars animesh_990010: maybe we should start with the small UPS project.... and if we see proper utilization... we can think of more. arpitnand_20020036: well.. all computers are running linux so.. vi, emacs is the default choice ravindra_itbhu03: that is good for start at least pankajyadav_20010018: others facult ylike agriculture and physics have .. where they reqire for some lab. releted activities. arpitnand_20020036: electrical dept has inverters for arpitnand_20020036: a lecteure hall and in some labs animesh_990010: okay then.. to summarizew.. we need power backup.. and for only small durations... keshvendra_940010: Let's start with UPS..if it's not feasible because of long power cut then think about inverters arpitnand_20020036: specifically g* animesh_990010: student project leads.... arpit and ravindra ? harshgupta20030005: it is not just about the unix lab arpitnand_20020036: long cuts of more than 15 mins are rare... so i guesss 15 mins is sufficent animesh_990010: how abt we take this offline.. by next saturday... arpit and ravindra will have held a meeting with studetns and arpitnand_20020036: well... at present we are talking abt the unix lab arpitnand_20020036: only animesh_990010: send a proposal to cseitbhu? animesh_990010: OK? animesh_990010: if we are good then we move on.. arpitnand_20020036: fine.. ravindra_itbhu03: ok animesh_990010: done.. next topic..Success Story:Rahul Hari CSE06 speaks about the success of the project for the upstairs Lab rahulhsaxena20020002: Hello Everyone, We had a project for upgradation of the upstairs lab last year. The CSE batch of 2002 helped us in purchasing 4 PCs (P4, 3.0 GHz. HT with 512 MB ram). We also purchased a Dual Xeon 3.0 GHz. processor based Server for the lab during the project. animesh_990010: i have pics of all these.. will show later :-) rahulhsaxena20020002: The funds for the server came up from the student's fees. We have completely removed windows from the upstairs lab and now it is a true linux lab rahulhsaxena20020002: All the computers have linux on them. There are four of them which have not yet been touched. It is because one of the computer is being used by yadav ji for his day to day work and the monitors of others are not at all supporting fedora. rahulhsaxena20020002: We might install some lower versions of linux on those. But the fact is now every 2 students are able to work on one single computer and even then some of the terminals are free. rahulhsaxena20020002: We plan to configure NIS on the server and then use it as a proper file server. Every student and faculty member will be having a login name and password on the server and they can login onto the server thru their terminals rahulhsaxena20020002: . Also with the intranet project going on we can host the intranet sites (for all the departments) on that server itself. Now the students are using the terminals in the lab for accessing internet also. In fact before we had the reliance thing, we used to check our mails at the lab itself. rahulhsaxena20020002: Now the C labs are also being conducted on gcc. TC has been completely eliminated from the lab. We also plan to organise workshops for the new comers on gcc and general linux fundas. rahulhsaxena20020002: Other workshops are also being organised for the students and the projector donated by the 1997 batch alumni has been of great use in these rahulhsaxena20020002: Thanx...... keshvendra_940010: great keshvendra_940010: what's this intranet project? pankajyadav_20010018: I am here :) animesh_990010: i will talk abt the intranet project later. rahulhsaxena20020002: we are planning to host departmental sites on the bhu intranet rahulhsaxena20020002: and use them for local mails animesh_990010: cool.. any questions? animesh_990010: if not... then we move on.. keshvendra_940010: move on to next topic rahulhsaxena20020002: let's move ahead animesh_990010: okay then... 4. Success Story: Pankaj Yadav CSE 05 tells the story about how the cse 2nd, 3rd and 4th year get 24 hrs internet connectivity in their rooms pankajyadav_20010018: Hmm.. pankajyadav_20010018: Success story: Internet connectivity in hostel rooms. Its on how we start with the idea of connectivity through a shared VSAT after confluance-2003. but implemented the dial-up connectivity which works with CDMA wireless phone in a co-operative model in small groups(5-10 students). pankajyadav_20010018: Timeline: pankajyadav_20010018: * Internet connectivity team was formed--May-2003. * Deadlines were identified, with the goal of connectivity on or before Dec-2003. Projected recurring cost was Rs 300 per student per month. with minimum initial investment(by alumni) anywhere from Rs. 150K to 300K-- June-2003 pankajyadav_20010018: * Project had to be pulled off. due rapid developments in Indian telecom by reliance and BHU giving contract for 2 Mbps leased line to BSNL. The immediate fear was sharp downfall in broadband prices in India.. making collection VSAT's running cost painful - June 2003. pankajyadav_20010018: * DEC-2004.......Reliance- Wireless in local-loop phone were introduced in Varanasi, offering economically feasible internet solution which was competitive with traditional dialup in terms of cost and better quality wise. One such connection was taken in CSE05 batch to test its use. pankajyadav_20010018: * Things were going fine, the phone satisfied every user. some more information on the model we were using please refer to: http://www.geocities.com/get_pankajyadav/internet.htm pankajyadav_20010018: * During confluance-2004, almost all guys participated from their hostel room (no cyber cafe!) pankajyadav_20010018: * July-2004- One more reliance-FWP connection was taken by group of 10 students of CSE05 batch. pankajyadav_20010018: One correction: pankajyadav_20010018: * "DEC-2003".......Reliance- Wireless in local-loop phone were introduced in Varanasi, offering economically feasible internet solution which was competitive with traditional dialup in terms of cost and better quality wise. One such connection was taken in CSE05 batch to test its use. pankajyadav_20010018: * Mean while this solution was catching up in rest of ITBHU, with electronics, electrical and mining students purchasing 4 such connections in same way. pankajyadav_20010018: * Dec-2004- IN a Major offer, reliance came with 24 Hr connectivity plan with unlimited download, which was charged approx. 60% more of when using internet 2 Hrs a day in the earlier tariffs. pankajyadav_20010018: * JAN-2005: CSE-06 went online with 5 new connections. * JAN-2005: CSE-07 went online with 3 phone connections. pankajyadav_20010018: * .....REST of all is a success story :) keshvendra_940010: That was good alternative...great job..very well done!! animesh_990010: I would like to add something .. pankajyadav_20010018: * Now total shared bandwidth in CSE with 10 phones was approx 1 Mbps !! animesh_990010: as a result of the internet in CSE06 from reliance and the GH internet connection from 1979 batch... animesh_990010: I am having weekly voice chats with arpit nand and monalisa of cse06 animesh_990010: regarding the wifi internet project of itbhu.org animesh_990010: thus this is a gr8 step forward pankajyadav_20010018: HM. I not yet finish :D !!. animesh_990010: I would like to congrtulate all those involved in the initial phases of this work.. good work people! pankajyadav_20010018: What to do next: The chain reactions of getting internet has already got started and guys from other deptt are going for this solution by seeing it already implemented. As of now, development in this area seems to be self sustainable. And we can say, 'situation is under control' in administrative words. pankajyadav_20010018: Looking forward for: In second phase of campus connectivity at BHU, the cable laying work for connectiong all hostels at BHU has already started (NO reports for up to when the internet connectivity via BHU network will be offered and at what speed ) . and we are looking forward to WiFi connectivity project started under ITBHU.org. pankajyadav_20010018: ******** That's all ! : *********** arpitnand_20020036: BHU internet : around 6-8 mbps shared by alll of bhu.... thats the plan keshvendra_940010: cool...thanks Pankaj animesh_990010: good work Pankaj and team... any questions? rahulhsaxena20020002: I would like to add something about the bhu intranet rahulhsaxena20020002: recently cmc people went to gh for surveying rahulhsaxena20020002: probably the bhu intranet would land up in gh soon animesh_990010: Thats good news. animesh_990010: I will talk more about the intranet in the open session. bhuitian0152002: hi...i have a question....I think we are lacking some thing like a seminar hall like G 14... animesh_990010: i would ask bhuitian to raise this in the open session please animesh_990010: lets stick to the agenda. animesh_990010: agenda = `http://www.itbhu.org/chapters/dept/cse/archives/000471.html ravindra_itbhu03: ya i also think so keshvendra_940010: let's move on to next one animesh_990010: okay... anything more abt the internet in room thing.. then we move on. bhuitian0152002: ok animesh_990010: 5. Success Story: Rahul Hari CSE06 tells the story about how 8 students from the department get summer internships at IBM due to the effort of Gaurav Sharma CSE96. Also a discussion on how the alumni can help in getting summer internships and better quality of job placements for the current students. rahulhsaxena20020002: hmmm rahulhsaxena20020002: Hello everyone, It is well known that every year the 3rd cse faces problems regarding summer internships. Out of the companies coming up for recruitment, very few come up for the trainings. rahulhsaxena20020002: Moreover since the students have done very less or no extra curricular work at all before applying, they face a lot of problems in getting the internships in various institutes. rahulhsaxena20020002: This year Gaurav Sharma CSE 1996 and Amol Mahamuni CSE 1989 (Both at IBM) came up with an idea to recruit students from the institute for the various internships programs at their company. rahulhsaxena20020002: Gaurav Sharma had come up at the institute for Placements. He had a talk with Shukla sir and came to know about the training scenario for the 3rd yearites. rahulhsaxena20020002: He gave a briefing about the IBM's prestigious Extreme Blue program and promised to take up some students for the various programs. rahulhsaxena20020002: Later this year, Gaurav called up for the resume of 8 students from Shukla sir and interestingly all of them were selected for internships at IBM rahulhsaxena20020002: . Out of these, two were selected for Extreme blue program, but the problem was that the program is of 3 months whereas the institute does not allow more than 9 weeks (sometimes 10) for the internship. rahulhsaxena20020002: Amol and Gaurav had a talk with their seniors about reducing the duration for these two students but since it is an international program, they could not get it done. rahulhsaxena20020002: Still they have promised to put these 8 people for ibm's other programs like speed teams and normal internships. Also they have initiated the signing up of an MoU between the institute and IBM. rahulhsaxena20020002: Even the Microsoft people came upto the institute after hearing about IBM coming up. we now have an MoU with both of them. People are even working on projects given by IBM and Microsoft. animesh_990010: great news .. rahulhsaxena20020002: microsoft and ibm* rahulhsaxena20020002: both of them even came up for technex... rahulhsaxena20020002: thanx.... keshvendra_940010: that's great. I know summer internship has always been a big problem in our dept animesh_990010: keshu and anoop, being the other alumni here.. how do u guys think alumni can help.. and what year alumni are we looking at? keshvendra_940010: Dept should convey special thanks to "Gaurav" & "Amol" rahulhsaxena20020002: i missed this link in my previous talk... for those who want to know more about the upstairs project ,http://sofhard.tripod.com/123.html arun_20020016: yes, and we are also lacking the database of the seniors who went for ms/phd or internship to other university animesh_990010: please let keshu and anoop speak. arun_20020016: ok keshvendra_940010: I think someone should ask Gaurav and Amol to send a mail on cse list and encourage other seniors to follow them keshvendra_940010: Specifically seniors working in India would be a great help in this regard rahulhsaxena20020002: but the problem is that they are so busy at IBM that they rarely get time to check their emails. rahulhsaxena20020002: and probably they r also not on the list animesh_990010: gaurav is 1996... same batch as uppinder, whom I know. animesh_990010: lemme handle this.. I can send the email. keshvendra_940010: You can request them to join the list keshvendra_940010: yes..mail from these guys would sent an good example for others animesh_990010: i will continut with my report animesh_990010: that will be for alumni.. animesh_990010: not a big problem.. rahulhsaxena20020002: i'd prefer someone from cse96 to do it...... animesh_990010: i will ask uppinder.. okay? animesh_990010: he is cse96 rahulhsaxena20020002: k animesh_990010: perfect.. anoop.. any comments? animesh_990010: helloo...anoop.. animesh_990010: I guess he got DC. arpitnand_20020036: metor graphics, mbt, reliance , wipro have also come for summer internship thru TPO... but results are not out keshvendra_940010: Dept should also take interest in contacting seniors in these companies. If our HOD talk to these folks, they will definitely come forward for help animesh_990010: keshu.. let me know when I can continue on next topic. keshvendra_940010: move on animesh_990010: good... next topic... animesh_990010: Animesh Pathak delivers a report on his visit to the department. animesh_990010: I was in the deptt 28th-31 dec 2004 animesh_990010: snaps online at http://sindhu.usc.edu/snaps/india2004/cse/ animesh_990010: The first thing I noticed was that the new room and projector was being used animesh_990010: indeed the first snap is of Bhaskar Sir teaching Real time systems on the projeector animesh_990010: he told me that he uses the internet to get notes keshvendra_940010: cool pics animesh_990010: I offered him my USC notes of networking.. which he gladly accepted animesh_990010: he has also given them to teh stufdnets animesh_990010: sorry for typos.. I am typing fast. keshvendra_940010: don't worry about typo...go on.. animesh_990010: the sad part was that not many students were in the class.. I hope that habit changes animesh_990010: I also met Mr. R.S.Singh, who is a new faculty animesh_990010: he was also enthusiastic.. indeed he was preparing notes for the digital circuits course when I met him animesh_990010: he welcomed my suggestions of new notes from USA animesh_990010: I met with Dr. RBM and Mr Vinayak also animesh_990010: Vinayak sir was agreeable to us sending software to check copying of code. animesh_990010: I also met KKS , could not meet AKT or AKA animesh_990010: I saw the upstairs lab.. pics are there animesh_990010: was happy to see animesh_990010: that the machines from our donations were being used animesh_990010: and VERY ANGRY to see that animesh_990010: some cse07 animesh_990010: students had tampered with the stickers of one comp animesh_990010: this will absolutely NOT be tolerated animesh_990010: I also visited the HW lab animesh_990010: and saw RSS working with students animesh_990010: it is sad that we could not have the new faculty members here today.. but I am in email contact with them, animesh_990010: I intend to donate a FPGA board to the HW lab animesh_990010: it will help students design circuits faster animesh_990010: lets see.... animesh_990010: Later, I had a meeting with the students animesh_990010: in which I took a report of the various projects animesh_990010: came to know that hte projector is being used for seminars etc. animesh_990010: no movies yet... in fact I suggested starting a weekly movie screeningh animesh_990010: of any kind of movie.. even hits... animesh_990010: I was told that it was shot down by faculty .. i talked to KKS about this animesh_990010: I feel we alumni should get some nice informative movies and send them to BHU animesh_990010: so that they can start animesh_990010: I think they can be downloaded also now.... since they have 24hr internet animesh_990010: and someone can burn them and show them animesh_990010: what say present students?? arun_20020016: yes we can do that neeraj_20010009: its good rahulhsaxena20020002: it might b a problem collecting students for educational stuff animesh_990010: going on... neeraj_20010009: i guess there will be no problem animesh_990010: I talked at length about how students animesh_990010: have to more serious about their studies rahulhsaxena20020002: unless they feel something really interesting animesh_990010: I sugested a 3 point program: animesh_990010: 1. Attend Classes animesh_990010: 2. Ask Questions bhuitian0152002: but i dont see students coming to deptt for movies when everyone has comp....instead we can have media library animesh_990010: 3. [oops i forgot.. anyone remembers?] keshvendra_940010: :) animesh_990010: I think a movie and then a discussion is a better way. ravindra_20030002: ya animesh_990010: i strongly believes that if someone does not have the enthu to watch a movie about chip design in vlsi and how the pentium and other chips are made.. HE CAN GO TO HELL animesh_990010: I stress on the fact neeraj_20010009: sure;y animesh_990010: that alumni will help those who want to be helped keshvendra_940010: make sense arpitnand_20020036: media library is a gr8 idea animesh_990010: we can slowly send media.. and u can compile it into library. neeraj_20010009: ya we can do that animesh_990010: yes.. point 3... Take Notes - I think :-) animesh_990010: continuing.... arpitnand_20020036: maybe .. part of dept. library issued for not more than 1 day animesh_990010: I stressed the fact that the students who are helping in alumni projects will gain a lot later.. neeraj_20010009: but it serves the purpose animesh_990010: since the contacts made today will help in jobs tomorrow animesh_990010: e.g. I am sure I can utilize my contacts to help someone I know from cse who worked for projects get a job interview in big companies if he has the credentials animesh_990010: so I encourage all of you to get involved in the alumni projects .. comments keshu? keshvendra_940010: I agree keshvendra_940010: how many people are involved in alumni projects? rahulhsaxena20020002: 4 Coordinators are from cse06 other batches are being used for the workforce anoop_980002: sure contacts mean a lot these days...especially with the referal process in all MNCs animesh_990010: also that can help in 3rd yeear itself... if u r helping in 3rd/2nd years.. it can help in training animesh_990010: okay then.. that was my report... animesh_990010: any questions? keshvendra_940010: Thanks for making a trip to Dept. excellent report neeraj_20010009: i want to say something animesh_990010: go on neeraj. neeraj_20010009: when i was doing my summer training in 3rd year neeraj_20010009: in iitkgp neeraj_20010009: i attended video lectures there neeraj_20010009: those were very good and well prepared neeraj_20010009: can we buy those lectures neeraj_20010009: i mean on imp subjects neeraj_20010009: like DSP,Networks,OS,Architecture...etc animesh_990010: Neeraj, can u make a concrete proposal and send it to me. I can then pick this up with the alumni. keshvendra_940010: sure..we can buy...just come up with the plan and we can work something out neeraj_20010009: ya definitely neeraj_20010009: i have talked to KKS in 3rd year animesh_990010: good.. anything more anyone?? anoop_980002: But, whats the status of the MIT/Berkeley video lecture downloads? neeraj_20010009: ya AKT was telling me neeraj_20010009: we have the text tutorial neeraj_20010009: for Networks, algo.. neeraj_20010009: since we have shortage of faculty neeraj_20010009: so alumni can come to our inst.. for 2-4 months animesh_990010: Can somone go to http://mitworld.mit.edu/ and get status?? neeraj_20010009: and they can give lectures on impp subjects animesh_990010: should we do these in open session..?? neeraj_20010009: this will train our students as well as faculty neeraj_20010009: ok animesh_990010: just a one liner.. the mit site i just sent is a nice place for videos to be shown on the proector animesh_990010: more about that later animesh_990010: next topic: 7. Arun Tangri cse06 talks about organising the Tech fest (more of a conference or guest lecture sort) by the CSE society. arun_20020016: Hello every one, arun_20020016: about the alumni meet cum technical festival @ ITBHU arun_20020016: We the batch of 3rd year, planned to organize an alumni meet cum technical endeavor under the banner of Computer Engineering Society. arun_20020016: The fest was planned to provide a platform for interaction between student and alumni... arun_20020016: which was also thought be instrumental in nurturing the technical acumen of the students. arun_20020016: The purpose of the meet was... arun_20020016: 1: Interaction with alumni to enlighten the students about arun_20020016: the industry, Emerging Technologies and Higher Studies arun_20020016: and A Technical Festival which will act as a stimulus for students to come forward in this endeavor arun_20020016: We planned many events under the technical festival.... arun_20020016: which comes mainly under the following topics... animesh_990010: wy r u speaking in past tense.. ? animesh_990010: u planned.. or have planned ? arun_20020016: sry ...1: Guest Lectures by the Alumni / delegates of various companies / Prof. from other institutes such as IITs etc. arun_20020016: 2:Paper Presentation arun_20020016: 3: Workshops on various topics of computer related fields arun_20020016: 4: Various programming contests and Quizes. arun_20020016: We have planned to organise the event at national level with... arun_20020016: the other colleges to be invited to take part in it arun_20020016: But since this event is being organised for the first time, arun_20020016: and due to some time and funding related constraints... arun_20020016: the event would not be able to take a big shape this time and is being organised at IT level itself. animesh_990010: good enough.. keshvendra_940010: when you are planning this tech fest? animesh_990010: the main point is to get started. arun_20020016: The tentative dates are between 12-20th march. arun_20020016: Also due to the time constraints itself the alumni meet... arun_20020016: may not be possible this time or... arun_20020016: we can still arrange it if you distinguished people could... arun_20020016: take out some time from your busy schedule... arun_20020016: and let us know about this. animesh_990010: I have an idea about this.. arun_20020016: yes animesh_990010: will talk more during my linux talk. kartavya_20010011: keep this in mind that on 13 mar we have the management fest... first time in bhu and 18-20 is prastuti keshvendra_940010: and this would be a yearly event..right? arun_20020016: yes we have also considered that fest kartavya_20010011: so decide the date so that it doesnt clashes with thse events arun_20020016: the fest name is opluence arun_20020016: yes this would be yearly event arun_20020016: But whatever may be the decision for this time, arun_20020016: we are requesting and hoping that from the next time onwards... arun_20020016: if some meet of this kind is organised then it would definitely be very helpful to us in knowing about the... animesh_990010: I suggest we move on to next topic .. since I want to focus on Linux for this fest... we can talk more then. arun_20020016: latest trends and requirement of the industry and also it would be a chance for you all to visit your alma mater. arun_20020016: We have finalized the budget and list of events to be conducted... neeraj_20010009: ya animesh animesh_990010: good .. thanks for this Arun.. do we move on now? neeraj_20010009: yes sir arun_20020016: ok I can update about the event at that time also if you people say animesh_990010: good. animesh_990010: 8. Library Update: Ravindra Patel cse07 tells about the present status of the library. ravindra_20030002: ya ravindra_20030002: first of all check this out http://www.geocities.com/ravindra_itbhu03/library.html ravindra_20030002: library is active and being opened every saturday ravindra_20030002: there was a suggestion by animesh bhaiya abt issueing the book in the library itself for one hr ravindra_20030002: we have started that animesh_990010: excellent. keshvendra_940010: thanks for the update ravindra_20030002: although just two or three students tried this keshvendra_940010: do we have estimates on new wish list? animesh_990010: dont worry.. i am sure this will work.. ravindra_20030002: but its still working animesh_990010: u can also make some books "in-room only" animesh_990010: that is they cannot take it home.. kinda like the TBB in BHU main lib. ravindra_20030002: for library i have made a wish list of books keshvendra_940010: I have checked that list. I am asking if you guys tried to figure out how much this list will cost? ravindra_20030002: http://www.geocities.com/ravindra_itbhu03/bwishlist.pdf ravindra_20030002: ya thats a good idea ravindra_20030002: act there are already two such books animesh_990010: i have a 2 suggestions. May I speak? neeraj_20010009: ya anoop_980002: I would like to see an additional column in the pdf file: #Copies desired animesh_990010: 1. please make this list priorotized.. like priority 1,2 and 3. animesh_990010: Also the book prices. keshvendra_940010: yes..that's what I was going to say ravindra_20030002: cost is quite high ravindra_20030002: which r not aloowed to take home ravindra_20030002: but some of the books are specialy recomended by IVth year ravindra_20030002: i think more then 50000 ravindra_20030002: ya i was thinking abt that animesh_990010: I strongly feel they should be priorotized. ravindra_20030002: and i hope u will get that by this evening ravindra_20030002: definitely ravindra_20030002: act there r some more books which r too be added in the list animesh_990010: good. So Ravindra is in-charge of this and will mail keshu the docs. keshvendra_940010: Let's prioritize them...and I will try to get my batch donate the money for library as we are the one who started this project. If we can't cover the price, we will ask for help from other folks animesh_990010: Also, please post this info.. or maybe just a link to this page on ITBHU.org ravindra_20030002: ok manu_20010016: will do animesh_990010: I suggest u involve kamlesh CSE03 in this.. he is in delhi area and can help in buying books cheap ravindra_20030002: i was thinking abt one more thing ravindra_20030002: Most of our alumunus need to search for e-books for their worrks ravindra_20030002: and we also ravindra_20030002: ok saugata_20010032: there are lots of ebooks available, we can collect them... ravindra_20030002: so i want that we make a forum on itbhu.org neeraj_20010009: right saugata ravindra_20030002: ya there r ravindra_20030002: but the tuffest task is to select a good one from them animesh_990010: http://www.itbhu.org/forum/ .. already exists.. we are looking for volunteers to maintain it.. mail me if u r interested. saugata_20010032: the sorting can be done later bhuitian0152002: I think library should be versatile kind...i mean there are no classic literary works and good quality books...after all we are required to b good man also with being engg. ravindra_20030002: and i want to say that if u get a good ebook on some topic just send us its link ravindra_20030002: we'll download id and save on our deptt server animesh_990010: Milind is already posting links on one such forum ravindra_20030002: so that if some1 needs that he can get easily a gud one saugata_20010032: better a step at a time animesh_990010: ok.. finalize this topic... ravindra_20030002: ok saugata_20010032: ok animesh_990010: 1. ravindra sends keshu an email with list ravindra_20030002: thats all from me animesh_990010: list should have extra fields as we just daid animesh_990010: oops said. keshvendra_940010: sounds good ravindra_20030002: ok animesh_990010: 2. some books r deptt only.. no issuing animesh_990010: 3. forums are online on ITBHU.org.. volunteers for maintainence needed.. then they will go public. send me email if interested.. then u can share links to ebooks ravindra_20030002: ya animesh_990010: anything else? aviral_20010028: but if we do not issue books, when will a student get a chance to study (and not read) that book? ravindra_20030002: not abt library animesh_990010: only some books animesh_990010: not all books saugata_20010032: it can be started as an experiment ravindra_20030002: ok animesh_990010: good. Then should we continue? saugata_20010032: if people are not comfortable it can be scrapped manu_20010016: ok harshgupta20030005: sorry to interrupt to make this thing functional we should have a seperate room for library a sort of reading room .. animesh_990010: we already have the new big room.. dont we? manu_20010016: pls move on ravindra_20030002: ya keshvendra_940010: ok..I think we are done with library stuff...Thanks for the update....move on to next topic animesh_990010: moving on... animesh_990010: 9. Animesh Pathak CSE03 speaks about the ways in which the usage of open source technologies/linux can be improved in the department. harshgupta20030005: otherwise books that are not issued would be useless animesh_990010: harsh, people can read those books sitting in some lab... we should end this topic here. animesh_990010: moving on,.. animesh_990010: This is on behalf of Amit Chaudhary, CSE98 harshgupta20030005: ok animesh_990010: The main idea is to promote Linux in the department animesh_990010: There are many reasons to use Linux: animesh_990010: 1. It is free, legally. animesh_990010: 2. Loads of stuff on the internet to help. animesh_990010: 3. Many companies are using them (Think Google!) animesh_990010: 4. The demand is very high presently for people with expericne in Linux in both industry and academia animesh_990010: examples.. if u r good in linux, u get an RA job in univs easily animesh_990010: also, u get internships and jobs easily. animesh_990010: comments keshu/anoop ? anoop_980002: sure....all development work mostly happens in linux, unless you are building a windows software keshvendra_940010: I think it's very obvious that students should have decent knowledge of linux when they come out of college animesh_990010: That brings me to the next point: animesh_990010: How to increase student's knowledge of linux animesh_990010: 1. Nice to know people are using gcc now.. we can suggest more labs animesh_990010: 2. Most importantly.. if possible, we can focus the alumni meet+ tech meet of CSE on Linux this time (I am saying: CSE tech meet.. this year focus on Linux) animesh_990010: I feel giving a focus will make it more attractive to people. keshvendra_940010: I think Amit was also planning for some award or something for best linux project...Animesh, are you going to talk about that? animesh_990010: I feel Amit will help in organizing it also arun_20020016: yes that would be good animesh_990010: Indeed.. I feel we should make focus as linux and get amit on board.. animesh_990010: he can also get industry poeople to give talks animesh_990010: I feel more than an award, if we can partially cover the cost of some cool speaker.. it will be even greater! animesh_990010: Also, we should encourage 1st and 2nd years to start using linux.. animesh_990010: that way.. they are ready for cool internships when they are in 3rd yera animesh_990010: I am done.. keshu.. u wanna add something? neeraj_20010009: animesh i have to say something animesh_990010: go on neeraj. neeraj_20010009: its very diff to get training even in 3rd year neeraj_20010009: so can our alumni can do in this regard neeraj_20010009: i think the students should go for training in 2nd year also neeraj_20010009: but it is very difficult animesh_990010: I feel training can be better when people have more skills.. animesh_990010: the forums can be a nice place to talk about ideas that students have.. and we can have proper open source projects neeraj_20010009: bot more skills people also find diff in getting training anoop_980002: so what is the scene right now for getting training abroad? arun_20020016: yes thats true... even some of the students with good knowledge but less grade points face it difficult to get training neeraj_20010009: its very bad neeraj_20010009: even in india keshvendra_940010: Btw, Amit is getting married today, that's the reason he couldn't join us...I hope he doesn't get too busy after marriage:)....I will ask him to talk to students and help organize linux project. neeraj_20010009: the same is true with good grade points students anoop_980002: i think we can pin down the problem if you guys give us more details in numbers, like how many are getting baorad, how many in univs in india, and how many in companies animesh_990010: I feel this can be addressed by the group helping with trainings... lets see what happens with the follw up with IBM. neeraj_20010009: i have some data of last year neeraj_20010009: 1. 2 people abroad neeraj_20010009: 11 in IITKGP neeraj_20010009: 10-12 people have gone in companies animesh_990010: good. Can you work with rahul on the email to be sent for the IBM followup etc. neeraj_20010009: bcause they were not able to find training in IITS neeraj_20010009: ya anoop_980002: what about IIT-B? neeraj_20010009: 3 people rahulhsaxena: i would like to add up...... rahulhsaxena: there should be something that ensures people going for internships during 2nd year to complete the training bhuitian0152002: 4-5 has got response from iit-b but not confirmed arun_20020016: professor from iit-b are asking them to again contact in april bhuitian0152002: here they r not getting in third year and u r talking for second year anoop_980002: okay - thats not too bad. I think just Animesh's batch was lucky to get good offers from abroad, otherwise the scene was pretty much the same for others rahulhsaxena: We lose some of the good professors if the student doesn't complete the training arun_20020016: i can update with the status of 3rd year for training neeraj_20010009: go ahead arun_20020016: 1 person has got some response from belgium but that is not final arun_20020016: 8 students have got in IBM as discussed earlier arun_20020016: few of us are trying for abroad and also under some prof in IITs, neeraj_20010009: but for that aour aluminus helped us i guess arun_20020016: others are also trying in company arun_20020016: yes... but still no body has got final response yet bhuitian0152002: the status is most of third year janta is waiting for response from TPO anoop_980002: what about training at Motorola, we have few alumns there arun_20020016: some of us are specifically trying under some prof for gre purposes neeraj_20010009: i think our alumni should make a team that will look after this issue arun_20020016: motorola provides training only for 6 months time period neeraj_20010009: suggestionsss arun_20020016: We here really do need the cooperation from our alumini manu_20010016: motorola this time didn't even hire from CS..dont think that they would provide internships anoop_980002: r u sure...couple of students went to motorola for training from my batch? bhuitian0152002: ok when we r trying on our own in compnies than we will not get stipend animesh_990010: hmm.... arun_20020016: yes ... some students had talked to alumini in motorola animesh_990010: I feel u should not try for stipend trainings... if it happens, well and good. anoop_980002: exactly, i second animesh arun_20020016: also there is one more problem : we do not have the database as to which all alumini is working in which company .... so there is some gap in contacting them .... keshvendra_940010: OK..it's midnight here, so I will be leaving shortly...Is there anything left we need to discuss here? keshvendra_940010: do we have any comments from KKS etc? animesh_990010: people.. I would suggest that pankaj talk with rahul and send an email to me and keshu bhuitian0152002: how can we ensure that we r getting quality training arun_20020016: stipend is usually not the priority among the students here in our batch ... what most of us want want is good exposure animesh_990010: abt the internship issue. animesh_990010: Also, Arun should send me an email about the linux conferene thing animesh_990010: moving on to the open session... animesh_990010: 15 minutes max.. then we end rahulhsaxena: start....? anoop_980002: One quick thing for open issue anoop_980002: with reference to http://sindhu.usc.edu/snaps/india2004/cse/DSCF1700.JPG manu_20010016: hmm anoop_980002: i feel very sorry for the new prof...trying to project in so much light on a adirty board rahulhsaxena: k anoop_980002: two things here: bhuitian0152002: Ok...what ppl think about seminar hall? anoop_980002: 1. windows should be tainted anoop_980002: 2. Can we have a separate projecting white sheet animesh_990010: all of you DDoS'd my server!!! >:) bhuitian0152002: ya pppl used permanent marker on white board...what can we do now? animesh_990010: cleaning fluid exists for these rahulhsaxena: we can probably try replacing the window frames.....shud give it a more professional look.......with the aluminium frames, it looks better bhuitian0152002: :-/ i didnt know that ..thanx anoop_980002: professional look? i think u should try to improve things that u already have, if ur demands r too high - nothing will get done rahulhsaxena: With M.Tech starting from next semesters, rahulhsaxena: we think that we might again fall short of rooms anoop_980002: Just get the glasses painted green, as we had it on ground floor class room rahulhsaxena: ok arun_20020016: One more issue regarding the linux and open source ..... I think that conducting of seminars in this regard would be fuitful .... rahulhsaxena: okay keshvendra_940010: talk to Amit regarding Linux stuff...he has all kind of ideas and seem pretty excited about it arun_20020016: there are some of these seminars taking place in VIT Chennai , IIT Madras , kharagpur etc by stallman arun_20020016: if not stallman then definately we can expect some experts from industry animesh_990010: i think keshu should get amit in touch with arun.. keshvendra_940010: Yes. I will..as soon as he is over with his marriage:) arun_20020016: ok animesh_990010: cool.. anything else? arun_20020016: also students here are really excited about discussing regarding the training and the intership stuff animesh_990010: I repeat.. we are here to help... those who do not want the help since they are lazy... may go to hell. bhuitian0152002: ya i support arun keshvendra_940010: cool animesh_990010: as I said.. attend lectures, ask questions.. and I rememberd the 3rd point: read before animesh_990010: meaning read before going to the class bhuitian0152002: We need ur help regarding training stuff arun_20020016: One point is clear .... that the status of the dept can improve only when students take more interest and we have a consistent guidance from the lumini animesh_990010: I feel that new faculty will improve with time... in that duration the students should support them. arun_20020016: there are many technologies that we here arent even aware of animesh_990010: I think the new faculty will play a very crucial role in improving the department.... arun_20020016: more lectures and online discussions by alumini in the industry can make the greatest contributions in this regard animesh_990010: the alumni will help... animesh_990010: but we need to have students animesh_990010: and faculty doing the ground work arun_20020016: students are ever ready .... they just need the proper channel .... keshvendra_940010: so, any other area where dept needs alumni help? animesh_990010: ending in 3 minutes. bhuitian0152002: plz dont expect faculty to do anything... arun_20020016: just to quote : there was really really poor response when the idea of having a techfest this sem was taken ... arun_20020016: hardly 4-5 mails were received .... animesh_990010: hey all... should I tell how many people attended my talk in teh deptt arun_20020016: what we wanted was just to have a beginning in a series of these initiatives animesh_990010: less than 20-% of students came.. keshvendra_940010: that's bad response animesh_990010: if u people cannot come for a talk from an alumnus.... why should we help you?? animesh_990010: do u have an answer to this??? animesh_990010: u may say that some prof is bad so u dont go to class.. what abt this/? manu_20010016: and that too when free samosas were on offer :) animesh_990010: so please STOP blaming faculty for now... do what u can... when u r putting in ur best.. talk about others.... and I am sure if u try ur best.. things WILL happen.. slowly.. but surely.. keshvendra_940010: may be samosas weren't from their favorite place:) animesh_990010: biharis... what else? .. animesh_990010: bihari's samosas from VT arun_20020016: i do fully agree animesh bhaiya ... animesh_990010: anyways.. moral of story.. keep at it... animesh_990010: It was really heartwarming to see so many of present studnets animesh_990010: come forward to present data so properly... arun_20020016: how can we go about increasing the general awareness of students about the new emerging technologies ? animesh_990010: i will talk to keshu tomorrow animesh_990010: and we will discuss issues rahulhsaxena: one more thing.....next confluence onwards, animesh_990010: I request Rahul to prepare the meeting minutes. animesh_990010: go on rahul.. rahulhsaxena: let's go for a poll on the dates rahulhsaxena: so that we can maximise the no. of alumni /faculty attending the meet animesh_990010: okay.. animesh_990010: going off now.. keshvendra_940010: thanks everyone for update...bye bye rahulhsaxena: most of them were not present during the meet.....we could have easily postponed it rahulhsaxena: okay bye